What time is it?/Anon Meme Update 5
May. 18th, 2008 10:54 pmDiscussion Questions:
The Rules: Be freely off topic and respond to any you feel like! Or none! Or just write comment crack/porn, since I had a lot of fun reading that last time and maybe you did too?
Think these questions are lame? I'm running out and we never talk about the actual questions anyway. Feel free to offer up some of your own in the comments and I'll edit the posts accordingly.
1) I found a tidbit in
selenak's meta on Planet of Fire (in which she's quoting
bimo) really interesting, and I thought I'd toss it out as a question:
"The Five/Ainley!Master dynamic is not a Yin/Yang or shadow doppelganger one as with Three/Delgado!Master or Ten/Simm!Master, it's a bad fairy godmother/ haunted child one, helped by the age difference of the actors as well." Do you agree? If not how are you reading Five/Ainley!Master?
Those two dynamics, if you accept that breakdown, represent a pretty fundamentally different relationship. Do you think of these as disparate directions for Doctor/Master to go in, or are they somehow connected, forming a continuum? If the latter, how's that continuum functioning? What pushes them from being twinned to being very 'shades of Der Erlkönig' (man is that one homoerotic poem/lieder) to back to being twinned again?
2) It might be possible to find one dynamic compelling and not be terribly into the alternate. In a larger sense, is it legitimate to not really enjoy/slash whole Incarnations of their lives (not necessarily 'what are your favorites,' though that could be interesting too--more 'are there discrete pairings of them within the show you ABSOLUTELY do not care about/see in any way'), or do you have to look at the pairing in terms of them as broader individuals than just their current regenerations/presentation?
3) Why does no one write Doctor/Master Rift Fic? I'm stealing 'Rift' from the Smallville fandom, a la
arysteia, the term apparently meaning "the inevitable hideous final breakup, ie transition from BFF (and boyfriends) to rain of toads evil and sneering good." Are we just intimidated by it, freaked out by canon issues, or Busy With Other Stuff? Is it because some people assume a drifting apart rather than An Epic Blowout, and thus Camp Driftwood doesn't feel like they want to pen Rift Fic? Should this, eventually, be a Challenge?
The Rules: Be freely off topic and respond to any you feel like! Or none! Or just write comment crack/porn, since I had a lot of fun reading that last time and maybe you did too?
Think these questions are lame? I'm running out and we never talk about the actual questions anyway. Feel free to offer up some of your own in the comments and I'll edit the posts accordingly.
1) I found a tidbit in
"The Five/Ainley!Master dynamic is not a Yin/Yang or shadow doppelganger one as with Three/Delgado!Master or Ten/Simm!Master, it's a bad fairy godmother/ haunted child one, helped by the age difference of the actors as well." Do you agree? If not how are you reading Five/Ainley!Master?
Those two dynamics, if you accept that breakdown, represent a pretty fundamentally different relationship. Do you think of these as disparate directions for Doctor/Master to go in, or are they somehow connected, forming a continuum? If the latter, how's that continuum functioning? What pushes them from being twinned to being very 'shades of Der Erlkönig' (man is that one homoerotic poem/lieder) to back to being twinned again?
2) It might be possible to find one dynamic compelling and not be terribly into the alternate. In a larger sense, is it legitimate to not really enjoy/slash whole Incarnations of their lives (not necessarily 'what are your favorites,' though that could be interesting too--more 'are there discrete pairings of them within the show you ABSOLUTELY do not care about/see in any way'), or do you have to look at the pairing in terms of them as broader individuals than just their current regenerations/presentation?
3) Why does no one write Doctor/Master Rift Fic? I'm stealing 'Rift' from the Smallville fandom, a la
Anon Meme Update:
Filled:
Classic!Series Master-bation about Doctor. Oh you know it's canon.
Zero room porn.
Five/Ainley!Master with the Doctor topping and the Master begging. (COMPLETELY FINISHED)
Post Five Doctors. Five briefly stays on Gallifrey but long enough for the (highly publicized) discovery of a marriage contract between his and the Master's House.
Orphans:
3/Master phone sex.
One and the Master talk about their granddaughter Susan.
Delgado Master/Brigadier (hypnotised?), the Doctor watches.
Good old-fashioned hate sex for classic who.
Three/Simm!Master
Taming of the Cheetah!Master. Make one of the Doctors get him off that doomed planet!
Master kidnaps the Doctor to cheer himself up. No nefarious purposes in mind; just a bit of gloating (and/or snark-flirting) and the intent to let him go a few days later none the worse for wear.
Death, dying, underworld or afterlife.
Something with magic, sorcery or alchemy. Bonus if it's set in a historical setting!
Five/Simm!Master during the 18 months pre SoD, with some plausible explanation for why the Doctor doesn't remember
Nine/Simm!Master - by activating the paradox machine early, the Master intercepts the Doctor before he meets Rose. Steamy hate sex in full knowledge of who the Master is.
The Master uses Lucy to taunt the Doctor
The Doctor's birthday and the Master has a gift. Any Doctor and Master.
Theta, Koschei and Ushas. Perhaps an experiment?
Master tries to Get the Fuck Over It by indulging in pr0n with someone else. The Doctor laughs.
Filled:
Classic!Series Master-bation about Doctor. Oh you know it's canon.
Zero room porn.
Five/Ainley!Master with the Doctor topping and the Master begging. (COMPLETELY FINISHED)
Post Five Doctors. Five briefly stays on Gallifrey but long enough for the (highly publicized) discovery of a marriage contract between his and the Master's House.
Orphans:
3/Master phone sex.
One and the Master talk about their granddaughter Susan.
Delgado Master/Brigadier (hypnotised?), the Doctor watches.
Good old-fashioned hate sex for classic who.
Three/Simm!Master
Taming of the Cheetah!Master. Make one of the Doctors get him off that doomed planet!
Doctor/Master, The Mind of Evil, missing scene with the Doctor tied up awaiting the Keller process.
Doctor/Master (Master/Adric), the Master explains to the Doctor exactly what he did to Adric in the Web (of bondage).Master kidnaps the Doctor to cheer himself up. No nefarious purposes in mind; just a bit of gloating (and/or snark-flirting) and the intent to let him go a few days later none the worse for wear.
Death, dying, underworld or afterlife.
Something with magic, sorcery or alchemy. Bonus if it's set in a historical setting!
Nine/Simm!Master - by activating the paradox machine early, the Master intercepts the Doctor before he meets Rose. Steamy hate sex in full knowledge of who the Master is.
The Master uses Lucy to taunt the Doctor
The Doctor's birthday and the Master has a gift. Any Doctor and Master.
Theta, Koschei and Ushas. Perhaps an experiment?
Master tries to Get the Fuck Over It by indulging in pr0n with someone else. The Doctor laughs.